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lord catos · Aug 22, 2006, 01:40 PM // 13:40

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Reikai · Aug 22, 2006, 01:50 PM // 13:50

first you see the Apply Poison... and then the kindle arrows
and then you see barrage... and we can conclude that this build isn't very good.

lord catos · Aug 22, 2006, 02:04 PM // 14:04

* apply poison - not many players in the game have somting to stop the poison.
* kindle arrows- is only fore dmg
* Barrage- is good fore group dmg (if you go and take enemy thowers/amber mine)
* pin down- if they rune away when i kill tham.

if you say it is not good ,what build you have ?

infymys · Aug 22, 2006, 02:19 PM // 14:19

You can only have one preparation active at any one time. Barrage cancels out any active preparation so your build is counter productive. Also, your spelling and grammar is horrid. With that said, if you want to use something similar, take out Barrage and Apply Poison and add Poison Arrow and Dual Shot. And I would like to know where this mythical 16v16 arena may be.

Pick Me · Aug 22, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord catos

* apply poison - not many players in the game have somting to stop the poison.
* kindle arrows- is only fore dmg
* Barrage- is good fore group dmg (if you go and take enemy thowers/amber mine)
* pin down- if they rune away when i kill tham.

if you say it is not good ,what build you have ?

The reason why it is not a good idea is because you can only have 1 preparation active at a time. Barrage removes all preparations.

So for 24 seconds, you have 1 preparation, until you lose it by using another preparation or using Barage.

Preparations are good with Dual Shot or any other Bow Attack skill (except Barage).

Sir Mad · Aug 22, 2006, 02:45 PM // 14:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord catos

* apply poison - not many players in the game have somting to stop the poison.
* kindle arrows- is only fore dmg
* Barrage- is good fore group dmg (if you go and take enemy thowers/amber mine)
* pin down- if they rune away when i kill tham.

if you say it is not good ,what build you have ?

You want to keep playing with poison and keep the extra damage of kindle arrows?

Put 16 points in WS and bring poison arrow + dual shot + kindle.

You want to keep the AoE of barrage and still have extra damage from another source?

Put 16 points in Mark and bring barrage + Rt weapons (brutal weapon for ex) or conjure xxx or Judge's Insight or...

And of course there are plenty of builds not based on poison/kindle or barrage...

On a side-note, as your post seems to imply you use that in Aspenwood, I highly recommand a Marksmanship based build with punishing shot. But a WS poison arrow build works as well.

EDIT 2 - Rather than WD + LR I'd rather go with WD + throw dirt but that's not a big deal.

Amy Awien · Aug 22, 2006, 03:37 PM // 15:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pick Me

The reason why it is not a good idea is because you can only have 1 preparation active at a time.

Actually, that is not a very good reason against taking 2 preparations. Kindle, for instance, works nice against casters (damage wise) while RtW would be better against warriors and rangers.

I've been running PS/CG in PvE for a while now, and I take RtW along ... once the casters are down my attention is on the warriors, and they are better dealt with using RtW. Besides, a PS'ed RtW lasts > a minute and this is very convenient (yeah I am lazy)

monkey grip · Aug 22, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by infymys

You can only have one preparation active at any one time. Barrage cancels out any active preparation so your build is counter productive. Also, your spelling and grammar is horrid. With that said, if you want to use something similar, take out Barrage and Apply Poison and add Poison Arrow and Dual Shot. And I would like to know where this mythical 16v16 arena may be.

it is obvious english is not his first language.

And since when is Dual Shot simliar to Barrage?

--edited by: Tsunami Rain--reason: edited out unnessesary name calling.--

Huntmaster · Aug 22, 2006, 04:48 PM // 16:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkey grip

it is obvious english is not his first language.

And since when is Dual Shot simliar to Barrage?

Dual shot shoots more then one arrow.. so does Barrage!

As for the OP, this isn't so much a build as some common sense when choosing a couple skills. In a 'build' you choose skills that compliment eachother and create the best possible outcome for what you want to do. It looks to me like this guy just took his favorite defensive and offensive skills and put them on his bar.

Reikai · Aug 22, 2006, 05:54 PM // 17:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord catos

* apply poison - not many players in the game have somting to stop the poison.
* kindle arrows- is only fore dmg
* Barrage- is good fore group dmg (if you go and take enemy thowers/amber mine)
* pin down- if they rune away when i kill tham.

if you say it is not good ,what build you have ?

I play a cripshot.

monkey grip · Aug 22, 2006, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huntmaster

Dual shot shoots more then one arrow.. so does Barrage!

OK, if it has a common denominator that is the one and only one. Dual shot does not hit more than one target, barrage does.

lord catos · Aug 23, 2006, 05:55 AM // 05:55

Thank you all fore critical my build.
There are some good tips I go trey to use.
16 vs 16 oke a mean alliance battle.

To have critical a build is easy, but comes whit a solution is better.
So thank fore sheared you tips whit me.

XvArchonvX · Aug 23, 2006, 01:39 PM // 13:39

Imo: Drop barrage, drop kindle

I would suggest either Punishing Shot, Escape (my personal fav), or Cripple shot (drop Pin Down if you do)

If you are going to be in a big battle, you may even want to consider taking a trap with you. Depending on the type of PvP, a trap can be quite useful.

I agree that a straight bow ranger is generally what works best in PvP (well except for maybe a R/A dagger build in the right circumstances), but I use the following similar build:

Hunter's Shot
Savage Shot
Apply Poison
Barbed Trap
Throw Dirt
Escape
Troll
Rez (or Flame Trap if a rez is not needed)

The theory behind the build I use is to let the conditions to the bulk of the damage and allow you to focus on interupting or trap (just make sure to use a defensive skill such as Throw Dirt or Escape before attempting this). This build counters touch rangers perfectly since a barbed trap cripples them and Escape allows you to stay out of range while the degen will take them out as they hobble along. Just be sure not to apply conditions to a toucher if he's near an ally (plague touch). Some may argue against bringing traps in a bow build, but I find my play style merits the use of them. If you don't prefer this I would suggest either another running skill or interupt, just don't bother bringing two preparations.

Sha Noran · Aug 24, 2006, 12:41 AM // 00:41

Two preps AND Barrage? That's a record or something, right?

Now seriously dude, it seems that you're really into PvP play in either an Aspenwood or AB type of environment with your Ranger, so I would say something like:

Crippling Shot {E}
Savage Shot
Distracting Shot
Apply Poison
Troll Unguent
Whirling Defense
Barbed Trap
Rez Siggy

A good combination of pressure for your opponent and self-defense for yourself should help your team towards victory with this build, which is a pretty basic version of a Crip-Shot Ranger, which many people choose to play in PvP as a Ranger. Good luck. :-D

Dyon Adell · Aug 24, 2006, 06:24 AM // 06:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord catos

* apply poison - not many players in the game have somting to stop the poison.
* kindle arrows- is only fore dmg
* Barrage- is good fore group dmg (if you go and take enemy thowers/amber mine)
* pin down- if they rune away when i kill tham.

if you say it is not good ,what build you have ?

Reikai is right. Your build sucks. Barrage should be used with Favorable Winds. There's no need for 2 preps. If you want a prep, don't take Barrage. Your build is just self-contradictory and inefficient.

I would suggest for a generic pve,

Res Sig
Dual Shot
Punishing Shot {Elite}
Savage Shot
Needling Shot
Read the Wind
Whirling Defense
*Optional*

Needling shot is the real killer here.

If you want a multi-mob killing ranger,

Res Sig
Savage Shot
Distracting Shot
Barrage {Elite}
Favorable Winds
Charm Animal
Comfort Animal
Whirling Defense

Prefered pet would be Hearty.

Even for pve, you have to be very sure what you want to do. Your build is too general... you add many options, but you excel at none. For pvp, find out what your team wants. Limitless possibilities with a Ranger, but then again, know what you have to do.